07-09-2009, 01:32 PM
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Ignore the haters. Its your car, do what you want with it.
The motor looks good in there. What does it put out for HP/torque?
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I would say about 220hp I think more would be too much.
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07-09-2009, 03:34 PM
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I did weld few different pieces to make the roll cage. That is no problem it is a benefit to have this rollcage inside the car, anyway you look at it. It is very rigid now and it will help with the rigidity of the chassi. I have new pictures I will post it.
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Might be a benefit until you hit something.
Your funeral.
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07-09-2009, 03:52 PM
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That spare tire looks a little bald.
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07-09-2009, 10:22 PM
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I would say about 220hp I think more would be too much.
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Wow, you molested the car to get 220hp? No, thats nothing you couldnt have got out of a turbo ts engine for the same effort... noooooooooooo!
This further blows my mind honestly. You go all this way to take out the heart and soul of the car for some Japanese crap for 220hp? It makes no sense! you could have put a ts in it, turboed it with standard internals and decent injection and got 220hp, while keeping it Alfa at the very least! Have fun listening to a pathetic sounding engine when you drive the thing...
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07-10-2009, 01:18 AM
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Just to go one step further on this, the 4AGE is a direct rip off of the Cosworth BDA (found in lotus' yeah?), worthless japs are good at nothing but ripping others off.
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If you want to be successful, emulate success 
What engine did Nissan copy when they made the RB26dett? (I could tell you a story, but I wait for a reply).
Toyota's 2JZGTE?
The STi WRX engine is really from an Alfasud?
Raff, I'm sure you know that the limits of even a standard turbo SR20det is higher than a mere 220hp.....
It's all fine to have an opinion and a prefferance, but to simply sprout off ignorant rubbish like what you have, Jeebus mate, go buy yourself a Holden or a Ford and have "Bogan" tattoo'd to your forhead.
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07-10-2009, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Van
I would say about 220hp I think more would be too much.
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Intersting "goal". You start by saying that you want to blow our minds with this engine conversion, which, to me, doesn't, since the reality is that motor has been done to death, and is capable of well over 500 hp. So it's not like this is something actually unique, except that it's in a GTV.
Second, you pan the Alfa motor as costing a few grand to make any decent power, but you buy a Nissan lump for $2000. I did an ENTIRE turbo charged Spider- including the car, engine, engine mangement, etc for less than $2002. Did the 1/4 mile in 14.12, but am pretty sure that sub 14 seconds was possible before my driver was too aggressive on a 1-2 shift and stopped our drag race day (the next day, I took FTD at the autocross event post trans swap).
Third, I'm quite sure that the Alfa motor is capable of 300hp, turbo. And it's not nearly as expensive as most fear. The expensive one is the 500+ hp TS motor that we take to Bonneville.
At least shoot for a conservative 300hp. It will make your time worth it.
I'm not a hater- I have no problems with engine swaps. But I do take issue with the people who don't think the Alfa motor is capable. It's capable. Been there, done that, still have the motor. And I would do it differently if I didn't have a cost restriction of $2002, $2003, and $2004 for the entire car.
Good luck with it. And I'm very happy that you are having a good time for yourself- in the end, that's really what matters. What we think is worth the stoage bits that it's in some computer storage.
Eric
(ps- in your current configuration- you'll have some serious cooling problems- you should look into a MUCH larger radiator, as I note that the current set up has a stock sized one behind the intercooler- you need to reject a WHOLE lot of heat)
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07-10-2009, 06:32 AM
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Yes, you can get a reliable 220 Hp out of a well-tuned turbo 2 L. 
But, a broad rpm band of torque at around 200 lbs/ft can not be obtained from a normally aspirated 2 L. As noted above, the S2000 does 162 torque at rather high rpm.
On another car site, my signature includes:
"Normally Aspirated Engines Suck" 
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07-10-2009, 08:58 AM
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If you want to be successful, emulate success
What engine did Nissan copy when they made the RB26dett? (I could tell you a story, but I wait for a reply).
Toyota's 2JZGTE?
The STi WRX engine is really from an Alfasud?
Raff, I'm sure you know that the limits of even a standard turbo SR20det is higher than a mere 220hp.....
It's all fine to have an opinion and a prefferance, but to simply sprout off ignorant rubbish like what you have, Jeebus mate, go buy yourself a Holden or a Ford and have "Bogan" tattoo'd to your forhead. |
Kudos to Toyota for bringing power to the masses, but at the end of the day, the 4AGE is a rip off, down to the finest details infact. No need crying over spilt milk.
As for the RB26, knowing what a wonderful engine that engine is, Id say it was developed purely by Nissan (and please, do tell me the story, via PM, im interested). Anyway, its all good and well that the SR20 can handle more than 220hp, whoopdy do, Ive seen 425hp Twin Sparks and so have you, does that mean anything to you? We're not talking extreme numbers here, we are talking 220hp. Hell, he could have even got it naturally aspirated if he really wanted to "blow" our minds...
At the end of the day, this car has been molested for 220hp, which is all good and well, if he had kept the engine Alfa, which he easily could have. Mind you, its not worth just crying about the engine; the interior work is amazing, if it was in a CRX or something.
As for Holdens and Fords, what do you have against them? You seem to cry when someone rants about Japanese crap but its cool for you to rant on about "bogan" stuff? Maybe while I get bogan tattooed on my forehead, you can get "W-A-N-K-E-R"... Sound good?
Anyway, end of rant. Duk, PM if you got more bones to pick, or at the very least, to me the story of the RB26 which Id love to hear (no sarcasm intended).
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07-10-2009, 09:52 AM
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Yes, you can get a reliable 220 Hp out of a well-tuned turbo 2 L.
But, a broad rpm band of torque at around 200 lbs/ft can not be obtained from a normally aspirated 2 L. As noted above, the S2000 does 162 torque at rather high rpm.
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No, I'd say you can get close to 270hp out of a well tuned turbo 2.0l. You can get a reliable 250 using stock, but modified internals.
Questionable tune would get you 220.
Had we spent time on tuning, and did a better manifold/turbo, it would have been pretty something. But we were lazy, and had an absolute budget cap to compete where we did. With a $25 turbo, and a hand made manifold (which had problems), I think we did darned well.
But, again, if Van is having fun, it's his car, and I'm glad for him. Just don't be overly surpised that few people are that impressed, since that was one of the stated goals.
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07-10-2009, 10:28 AM
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I think what this guy means is that the toyota is a stock 200+ hp drop in but the alfa re-engineered turbo engine would have to be worked from the ground up making it more complicated. 100 years from now though some Alfaholic would curse on you on the hacked chasis
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07-10-2009, 01:18 PM
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in 100 years all our alfa's will be a big pile of rust 
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07-10-2009, 06:17 PM
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:))))))))))
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in 100 years all our alfa's will be a big pile of rust |
Not Mine !
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07-10-2009, 06:47 PM
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Gotta count myself as one of the "haters"...
sorry.
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07-10-2009, 07:24 PM
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in 100 years all our alfa's will be a big pile of rust |
very true!
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07-10-2009, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by raff_gta
Wow, you molested the car to get 220hp? No, thats nothing you couldnt have got out of a turbo ts engine for the same effort... noooooooooooo!
This further blows my mind honestly. You go all this way to take out the heart and soul of the car for some Japanese crap for 220hp? It makes no sense! you could have put a ts in it, turboed it with standard internals and decent injection and got 220hp, while keeping it Alfa at the very least! Have fun listening to a pathetic sounding engine when you drive the thing...
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why r u so emtional. This is a regular production car. Why is everyone TS TS TS TS. What is the point of have 2 sparc plugs on one cylinder. You can have a TS shipped for 2000.00 and put a crap motor that needs to be rebuilt every 30000miles.
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